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	<title>Comments on: Stage Deli (NY) closed by health inspector</title>
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		<title>By: Irwin</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-7811</link>
		<author>Irwin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In this case as in the "MAJORITY" of others re: Rodent/Insect Infestations the Food Service operator gets the citation but the problems are caused by extenuating circumstances.

Generally it's the landlords, municipalities who are doing renovations or construction in the area that lead to infestation being caused everywhere in  immediate areas.

In other parts of the world it's customary to try to remove this problem before beginning construction or alterations because they are aware that it easily gets out of control. 

It should be a obligation of NYC Health Department to give citations to property owners since majority of Restaurants take up only a minor square feet of the buildings where they are located.

In no way is the Restaurant the only part of the property infested, even though they may be the only tenants forced to try to control the situation..

Eradication or control can only be achieved more then superficially by blaming the Restaurants for being responsible.

Wonder how NYC Health Dept would deal with Cockroaches that are capable of flying every where like in Hawaii and the tropics where it becomes a fact of life during the breeding season.

It was awesome being in Hong Kong during the Airport/Harbor Construction where every place nearby was subject to Rats almost as big as Cats swarming everywhere looking for places to hide, even driving at night or parking a car nearby made you vulnerable to running them over or having them try to nest in your engine.

In Buddest areas of Asia Rats are treated with respect when they help clear off food dropped from tables while people are eatting a meal at a Restaurant. Now that is real creepy when they are also guests. It's a big joke when westerners get all upset..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case as in the &#8220;MAJORITY&#8221; of others re: Rodent/Insect Infestations the Food Service operator gets the citation but the problems are caused by extenuating circumstances.</p>
<p>Generally it&#8217;s the landlords, municipalities who are doing renovations or construction in the area that lead to infestation being caused everywhere in  immediate areas.</p>
<p>In other parts of the world it&#8217;s customary to try to remove this problem before beginning construction or alterations because they are aware that it easily gets out of control. </p>
<p>It should be a obligation of NYC Health Department to give citations to property owners since majority of Restaurants take up only a minor square feet of the buildings where they are located.</p>
<p>In no way is the Restaurant the only part of the property infested, even though they may be the only tenants forced to try to control the situation..</p>
<p>Eradication or control can only be achieved more then superficially by blaming the Restaurants for being responsible.</p>
<p>Wonder how NYC Health Dept would deal with Cockroaches that are capable of flying every where like in Hawaii and the tropics where it becomes a fact of life during the breeding season.</p>
<p>It was awesome being in Hong Kong during the Airport/Harbor Construction where every place nearby was subject to Rats almost as big as Cats swarming everywhere looking for places to hide, even driving at night or parking a car nearby made you vulnerable to running them over or having them try to nest in your engine.</p>
<p>In Buddest areas of Asia Rats are treated with respect when they help clear off food dropped from tables while people are eatting a meal at a Restaurant. Now that is real creepy when they are also guests. It&#8217;s a big joke when westerners get all upset..</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Greenwald</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-7823</link>
		<author>Scott Greenwald</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While the comments pulled from Gothamist were cute, the first statement is not completely true:  "Where do we think they go when we seal up our holes and cracks?"  Well, that would depend.  Did you seal up the hole with the rodents still inside?  If so, there's a possibility, an unfortunate one for the animal (and PETA, please forgive me), that it will die in its new home.
Speaking of the STAGE, my father owned the Deli for some years with the two partners mentioned on www.stagedeli.com, on the HISTORY page.  I remember seeing the basement once, as a pre-teen.  The steps down to the basement were slimy, and that scared me half to death... the whole look and feel of it gave me the creeps (having never seen the basement of a restaurant before), but it's not so different than those of most eateries that are housed in an old building.

Four years ago, my father and I got involved with LIFE CAFE, of "RENT" fame in the East Village.  Upon our arrival, the place was overrun by vermin.  As the original owner--our partner--had opened another location in Brooklyn, and spent most of her time there, good management and an eye for health issues went somewhat by the wayside till we got there.  After one particularly nasty visit from the Health Department (which has become quite a racket, by the way), I started a major overhaul of the whole property.

The building is over 100 years old, I'm told, and it exists on what old maps of NYC show to be the edge of a marsh, and a 10th St Canal.  (The rest of "Alphabet City" was built on landfill, filling in the marsh!)  The building is settling, and the walls begin to disconnect from their adjoining floors, creating cracks.  As pests push their way inside, they make more comfortable entryways for themselves.  More of them can come and go, and they breed.  But to breed, they need safe haven in the place they've entered.  If it's not already existing as a hole, they'll try to create one.  That's why older buildings are more vulnerable... it's easier for the pests to find refuge.

But once they've established themselves, it's not actually that difficult to get rid of them.  All it takes is a working knowledge of how various pests operate, finding their hideout, effectively sealing it, and keeping an eye on it.  I'm told that some exterminators will shove some ground-up shards of glass in a mouse or rat hole, and THEN seal it up with concrete, or some such substance.  The pest gets hungry, if it can't escape from the hole in another way, and actually eats the glass, killing itself.  I've found that simply sealing the hole is enough.  If it's a good seal, the pest can't escape.  It simply dies there.

But we had house flies, because one of our kitchen staff weren't rotating the potatoes.  So what happened?  They were breeding in an old rotten one.  These are the crazy, inane and stupid things that one has to worry about in the restaurant industry.  In fact, it goes way beyond that when you're talking about the Health Department.  We once had an inspector notice that we were missing some tiles on our kitchen floor.  The tile cement was acting as our floor in those spots.  There were about 5 of those tiles missing.  We were fined $200.

For the most part, I think that the presence of the Dept of Health is a positive force, a definite motivator.  In restaurants, you need to cut costs whereever you can (just look at the bathrooms in so many places... it's not necessarily that they're dirty... they're just so unmaintained and simple!).  It really does take more than simply knowing that you have pests to want to get rid of them.  When it hits you in the pocket, and reputation, you take action.
I'm honestly surprised that it's taken the STAGE this long to really get on top of their problems, but then again, maybe I don't really know the scope of their situation.

But I'd love to help them, or any other restaurant suffering with these things.  I've discovered that I can't spend my whole life at a restaurant and expect a happy home life.  Nor can I live a happy home life and expect a fully-functional restaurant.  I believe that restaurants, deli's included, are for the Single.  So, my next business may very well be in pest prevention, for restaurants.  Because no one wants to find themselves at court on John Street with the Department of Health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the comments pulled from Gothamist were cute, the first statement is not completely true:  &#8220;Where do we think they go when we seal up our holes and cracks?&#8221;  Well, that would depend.  Did you seal up the hole with the rodents still inside?  If so, there&#8217;s a possibility, an unfortunate one for the animal (and PETA, please forgive me), that it will die in its new home.<br />
Speaking of the STAGE, my father owned the Deli for some years with the two partners mentioned on <a href="http://www.stagedeli.com," rel="nofollow">www.stagedeli.com,</a> on the HISTORY page.  I remember seeing the basement once, as a pre-teen.  The steps down to the basement were slimy, and that scared me half to death&#8230; the whole look and feel of it gave me the creeps (having never seen the basement of a restaurant before), but it&#8217;s not so different than those of most eateries that are housed in an old building.</p>
<p>Four years ago, my father and I got involved with LIFE CAFE, of &#8220;RENT&#8221; fame in the East Village.  Upon our arrival, the place was overrun by vermin.  As the original owner&#8211;our partner&#8211;had opened another location in Brooklyn, and spent most of her time there, good management and an eye for health issues went somewhat by the wayside till we got there.  After one particularly nasty visit from the Health Department (which has become quite a racket, by the way), I started a major overhaul of the whole property.</p>
<p>The building is over 100 years old, I&#8217;m told, and it exists on what old maps of NYC show to be the edge of a marsh, and a 10th St Canal.  (The rest of &#8220;Alphabet City&#8221; was built on landfill, filling in the marsh!)  The building is settling, and the walls begin to disconnect from their adjoining floors, creating cracks.  As pests push their way inside, they make more comfortable entryways for themselves.  More of them can come and go, and they breed.  But to breed, they need safe haven in the place they&#8217;ve entered.  If it&#8217;s not already existing as a hole, they&#8217;ll try to create one.  That&#8217;s why older buildings are more vulnerable&#8230; it&#8217;s easier for the pests to find refuge.</p>
<p>But once they&#8217;ve established themselves, it&#8217;s not actually that difficult to get rid of them.  All it takes is a working knowledge of how various pests operate, finding their hideout, effectively sealing it, and keeping an eye on it.  I&#8217;m told that some exterminators will shove some ground-up shards of glass in a mouse or rat hole, and THEN seal it up with concrete, or some such substance.  The pest gets hungry, if it can&#8217;t escape from the hole in another way, and actually eats the glass, killing itself.  I&#8217;ve found that simply sealing the hole is enough.  If it&#8217;s a good seal, the pest can&#8217;t escape.  It simply dies there.</p>
<p>But we had house flies, because one of our kitchen staff weren&#8217;t rotating the potatoes.  So what happened?  They were breeding in an old rotten one.  These are the crazy, inane and stupid things that one has to worry about in the restaurant industry.  In fact, it goes way beyond that when you&#8217;re talking about the Health Department.  We once had an inspector notice that we were missing some tiles on our kitchen floor.  The tile cement was acting as our floor in those spots.  There were about 5 of those tiles missing.  We were fined $200.</p>
<p>For the most part, I think that the presence of the Dept of Health is a positive force, a definite motivator.  In restaurants, you need to cut costs whereever you can (just look at the bathrooms in so many places&#8230; it&#8217;s not necessarily that they&#8217;re dirty&#8230; they&#8217;re just so unmaintained and simple!).  It really does take more than simply knowing that you have pests to want to get rid of them.  When it hits you in the pocket, and reputation, you take action.<br />
I&#8217;m honestly surprised that it&#8217;s taken the STAGE this long to really get on top of their problems, but then again, maybe I don&#8217;t really know the scope of their situation.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d love to help them, or any other restaurant suffering with these things.  I&#8217;ve discovered that I can&#8217;t spend my whole life at a restaurant and expect a happy home life.  Nor can I live a happy home life and expect a fully-functional restaurant.  I believe that restaurants, deli&#8217;s included, are for the Single.  So, my next business may very well be in pest prevention, for restaurants.  Because no one wants to find themselves at court on John Street with the Department of Health.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-7835</link>
		<author>Lauren</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>omg i love ratatouille</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-40164</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I will be back to read your other posts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be back to read your other posts</p>
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		<title>By: Sulema Fetters</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-42624</link>
		<author>Sulema Fetters</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>thank you for posting do you have feed here? I'd like to add them to my reader</description>
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		<title>By: Exterminator Brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-47201</link>
		<author>Exterminator Brooklyn</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good to see they're still back in business.  Their sandwiches are amazing.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see they&#8217;re still back in business.  Their sandwiches are amazing.  <img src='http://www.savethedeli.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-48979</link>
		<author>Billy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>somebody needs to investigate the NYC health dept for discrimination against whites, all they do is hire ignorate and hateful black people, I have never seen a white inspection</description>
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		<title>By: Pattaya Girls</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-49194</link>
		<author>Pattaya Girls</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeroo Nori</title>
		<link>http://www.savethedeli.com/2008/03/18/stage-deli-ny-closed-by-health-inspector/#comment-49448</link>
		<author>Jeroo Nori</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: izmir oto kiralama</title>
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		<author>izmir oto kiralama</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 16:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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